Three couples we need to stop admiring

To quote Huey Lewis and the News, “The power of love is a curious thing, Make a one man weep, Make another man sing.” Love can change and transform a person; it can make them loving, compassionate, brave, empathetic, happy, and basically everything else positive society can throw a label on.

Like many things or concepts in this mad little world, love is like a coin; it has two sides or two faces.1 On one face of the coin, is love as described by Jane Austen: witty, lovely, romantic, charming, and enduring. On the other face, well, we have love described by the Brontë sisters: dark, jealousy, twisted, obsessive, and secretive. Love can make people do some pretty crazy stuff and not all of it is good.

There are many couples throughout history and pop culture that personify romantic love. We can admire these couples as role models; whether straight, gay, or everything else. However, there are equally couples that are so bad for each other, that everybody knows they shouldn’t be together, or at least, have some extreme Brontë issues to work through.

Toss the love coin for a couple and see where it lands. Does it land Austen face up, or is it Brontë? That seems easy, doesn’t it? But what about the couples in the centre of the Venn diagram? What if the coin does not land face down, but is actually on its side? 2

Some people look and say that these couples are lovely and romantic, so they must belong together. They are admired, romanticised, and even idolised. Now I’m not an expert on love; ask my wife, but I have three couples that do not deserve your admiration. As a collective society, we need to stop lying to ourselves about these couples.

May I submit three couples that we desperately need to stop admiring: 1 x historical couple and 2 x fictional couples. Let’s break some hearts!


Image by Pexels from Pixabay

Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow (Bonnie and Clyde)

Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow were part of the Barrow Gang, which included Clyde’s brother Marvin “Buck” Barrow, and his wife Blanche. They operated in the Central United States of America, during 1932-1934, committing small-time heists and bank robberies.

Bonnie and Clyde were romanticised at the time, and still are. They were a young couple, living their best life, which fed into the counterculture, with part of the public admiring and adoring them. One of the reasons was that Bonnie was already married to a man named Roy Thornton, but she was in love with Clyde.

In the grips of the Great Depression, these love birds were fighting to be free and live wild. The growing problem was their crimes were becoming more violent, which resulted in people being killed. This made the public slowly turn on them, and law enforcement officers hunted them.

On 23rd May 1934, Bonnie and Clyde’s crime spree ended. They were ambushed in their car, by law enforcement officers and were shot to death. Bonnie had 26 bullet wounds, and Clyde received 17; with both suffering head shots.

Over the years, their romantic legacy has grown across the world, especially because of the Academy Award-winning 1967 film, Bonnie and Clyde. But let’s face facts; Bonnie and Clyde committed multiple robberies of banks, gas stations, and small stores, but also killed at least 12 people; which included nine law enforcement officers.

It’s been 89 years since their death, and I’m sorry to say, we need to stop admiring them.

Romeo Montague and Juliet Capulet (Romeo and Juliet)

Did you see this one coming?! First performed in 1597, William Shakespeare’s immortal play Romeo and Juliet, has been touted as one of the greatest love stories ever told. It’s been adapted into film, ballet, opera, paintings, and literature, and is still performed through theatre around the world. Over 420 years later, people are still experiencing and revisiting the story.

Though should we still be experiencing Romeo and Juliet? Hell, yes! I’m not smart enough to articulate just how impactful and amazing the play is, and why it’s important. To me, it’s good, it’s so, so good. However, that isn’t the correct question we should be asking.

We should hold on to Romeo and Juliet, until the potential heat death of the universe. But should we keep romanticising them? Hell, no!

I want you to think about a few things:

  • The entire play is set over six days. Yes, just six days!
  • When Romeo meets Juliet for the first time, he’s on the rebound from Rosaline (Sunday evening).
  • Romeo and Juliet fall in love with each other (Sunday evening).
  • Romeo meets Juliet for the second time and agree to marry (Late Sunday evening).
  • The next day, Romeo and Juliet marry (Monday afternoon).
  • By Friday morning, both Romeo and Juliet are dead by their own hands.

Imagine if your child or grandchild came to you and said, that the person they were planning on marrying today, they had only met them the day before? What would you do? Seriously, what would you say?

From the time I first met my future wife, to actually getting married was 20 months. I used to think that was fast, but that’s at a snail’s pace, compared to Romeo and Juliet’s 24 hours!

This brings me to their ages. At the time of the wedding, I believe Romeo was 16 years old, and Juliet was just 13 years old. Granted the play was set in Verona, around the 14th/15th century, but still.

Another love myth to break about the couple is that by the end of the play, six people had died. They were Mercutio, Tybalt, Lady Montague, Paris, and the idiots of the story, Romeo and Juliet. Yes, Romeo and Juliet did kill themselves, but through their actions; directly and indirectly, four other people paid the ultimate price for their one-night stand. Romeo alone personally killed three people!

“These violent delights have violent ends.”

If you’re looking for romance, love, or shenanigans in a Shakespearian play, then admire these couples: Sebastian and Olivia, Viola and Orsino, Lucentio and Bianca, Petruchio and Katherina, Bassanio and Portia, Beatrice and Benedick, or Orlando and Rosalind.

Romeo and Juliet truly belong with the other tragic couples: Othello and Desdemona, Macbeth and Lady Macbeth, Antony and Cleopatra, Duke of Albany and Goneril, Duke of Cornwall and Regan, and of course, Hamlet and Ophelia.

The tale of Romeo and Juliet is not a love story, because nobody is left happy at the end. I think one of the points of the play is not to admire Romeo and Juliet; because they don’t deserve it, but to see their flaws and mistakes, so you don’t have to make them yourself.

The Joker and Harley Quinn (The Joker and Harleen Quinzel)

I’m not going to spend a lot of time with this couple because they are the textbook example of a toxic relationship. When everybody’s favourite Arkham Asylum escapee was recaptured and brought back, the Joker met, manipulated, seduced, and corrupted psychologist Harleen Quinzel, and helped her to transform into Harley Quinn.

Harley Quinn became the Joker’s accomplice and girlfriend, but it was an awful abusive relationship. Over the years and in different versions, the Joker has done some pretty horrible things to Harley. These involve various methods, and include and not limited to throwing her into a vat of industrial chemicals; pushing her out of a window; torturing her by beating, cutting, and hanging her half to death; setting Harley’s own hyenas onto her; planning to kill her in front of the Dark Knight; tried to cut her face off; locked her into a rocket; he killed her and transformed her into a constellation; constantly beating and casting her out before wooing her back; and one time, he didn’t even notice that Harley had left for a year.

And just to clarify, Harley is not blameless in this mess. By the Joker’s own admission, he believes that Harley is crazier than him. The way the Joker controlled and manipulated Harley, only worked because Harley thought his abusive behaviour was a sign that he loved her. It wasn’t.

The Joker would have rather beaten Harley to a bloody pulp than admit he cared for her; as much as a homicidal, sadistic psychopath can care for someone.

Unlike the previous two entries on this list, there is a happy ending of a sort. Harley ultimately left the Joker forever and is now in a loving, positive, and healthy relationship with Poison Ivy. Though whether Harley being involved in another relationship with a villain is a good idea, remains to be seen.

And there you have it. Just like Fat Boy Slim said, “Like a favourite pair of jeans that you won’t give up on,” we need to give up on the idea that these three couples are to be romanticised, admired, or idolised because they don’t deserve it. You wouldn’t wish any family member to be involved in any relationship, similar to these disasters, would you? Well, maybe it depends on the family member.

Have I missed any toxic couples out? As always please let me know. I know I didn’t include Heathcliff and Catherine, but to be honest, this blog got away from me, so I’ll include them next time. 3

Thanks once again for reading, following, and subscribing to Some Geek Told Me. I’m also on Twitter and Mastodon, where I have daily posts, and attempt to be funny.

Please don’t forget to walk your dog, read a banned book, avoid playing Monopoly at all costs, watch some Rugby World Cup games, and I’ll see you next week.


1 It’s been a long time since I snuck in a Batman reference.

2 This is a shout out to Heathcliff and Catherine. I see you, I see you.

3 I told you I saw Heathcliff and Catherine.

Tour of the Solar System: Mars

Guess what’s back for another week? No, it’s not Simon Cowell’s Ninja Dog UK show, it’s Some Geek Told Me’s Tour of the Solar System! If you’ve never been on the tour before, here are the previous stops:

1.) Introduction

2.) The Sun

3.) Planets vs. Dwarf planets

4.) Mercury

5.) Venus

6.) Earth

7.) The Moon

Voted least likely to help humanity in any way, Some Geek Told Me’s Tour of the Solar System is now on its eighth stop. Buckle up, because we are visiting a planet that if it was a teenage girl, then it would be the popular one. It’s Mars, the Red Planet! Wait, did you think it was Neptune?


Image by WikiImages from Pixabay

Let’s establish something before we begin? There’s so much information on Mars, that I couldn’t possibly explain it all in one blog. Well, not without a time machine, which is a good thing I don’t have one. I’m just going to talk some basic information about Mars, though everything would make a Space-denier’s right eye start twitching.

Mars is the fourth planet from the Sun, after Mercury, Venus, and us; Earth. This makes it a terrestrial planet, which formed about 4.5 billion years old, give or take a few Sundays. This makes it extremely similar to the other terrestrial planets. That’s not really a surprise is it?

Unlike other planets, it’s named after a chocolate bar…no, seriously, Mars is named after the Roman god of war; you guessed it, Mars.1

As for planetary rings, someone swiped left on Mars but swiped right for moons. Mars has two moons named Phobos and Deimos, which mean fear and panic for the former, and terror and dread for the latter. I do find it interesting that Phobos and Deimos were the sons of Ares, the Greek god of war, who was identified by the Romans as Mars.

So basically, the planet is named after a Roman god, with the two moons named after his Greek equivalent’s sons. Not confusing at all.

Mars is smaller than Earth, with a diameter close to 6,792 km, compared to Earth’s diameter of 12,740 km. This means that everybody’s favourite planet named after a god of war, is actually the seventh largest planet in the solar system. Sorry, Mercury.

Just like Earth’s orbit of the Sun, Mars’ orbit is elliptical, but it is more severe. Mars’ perihelion is 206,650,000 km, while its aphelion is 249,261,000 km. The average distance from the Sun to Mars is 228 million kilometres, with the orbital speed of Mars being 24.07 km/s, which is only slightly faster than my dog when he’s blitzing.

Alright, that’s all well and good, but what else do we know about Mars? Great question, so here’s a complicated answer. Hollywood has given us some interesting films based on Mars, like Total Recall, Mission to Mars, Red Planet, Ghosts of Mars, The Martian, and Life. Between the insanity of the films lies the truth about Mars.

A long time ago on a planet, not that far away, liquid water was on the planet’s surface. Yes, billions of years ago, Mars had not just liquid water on the surface, but oceans. The observational evidence for this is the hundreds of photos and video footage taken over the years, that have been analysed by scientists; like ancient riverbeds.

Now whether life may have existed in this ancient primordial Martian ocean, is another blog for another day; just ask J’onn J’onzz or H. G. Wells. As for the reason why Mars lost its oceans, the leading hypothesis is that the oceans were ripped away by the solar wind because Mars lost its magnetic field, which prevented this from happening.

The next question is how did Mars lose its magnetic field? Like Earth’s spinning core, Mars’ core would have created a dynamo effect, which in turn would have powered the magnetic field. However, sometime in Mars’ ancient past, something happened to change the dynamo effect, which resulted in a snowball effect: No dynamo effect, caused the magnetic field to stop being generated, which caused the oceans to be ripped away by the solar wind. As to why there were some shenanigans in the Martian core, we should just bring in a CSI team, and they’ll solve it in under 45 minutes.

Mars is now a cold, barren, dusty wasteland; almost like the background to a Mad Max film. Polar ice caps exist at both poles, but the planet is a husk. Temperatures on Mars can range from −110 °C (−166 °F) to 35 °C (95 °F). Basically, Mars has the temperatures of both Hoth and Tatooine.

For Mars’ rotation and orbital period, it takes Mars 1.04 Earth days to rotate once, which is roughly 25 hours. A Martian year equals 687 Earth days, which is about 1.9 Earth years.2

The surface of Mars is covered in a dusty inorganic compound known as Iron(III) oxide. This dust gives the planet a rusty colour, which to nobody’s surprise at all, is why Mars is referred to as The Red Planet. The terrain is mixed with volcanoes, craters, valleys, and lower flat lands.

It’s for this reason that Mars is home to Olympus Mons, which is the tallest mountain in the solar system. Olympus Mons is a massive shield volcano, that is 21.9 km high. In comparison to Earth’s tallest mountains, Mount Everest is 8.848 km (above sea level), while Mauna Kea is 9.33 km (from underwater base to summit). 

Mars does have an atmosphere, but it’s very thin and weak. The atmosphere is made up of Carbon Dioxide (95.97%), Argon (1.93%), Nitrogen (1.89%), and smaller traces of Oxygen, Carbon Monoxide, and Water Vapour. If you’re planning on visiting Mars anytime soon, make sure you bring a survival/space suit. If the cold doesn’t kill you, the lack of breathable air will.

And speaking of visiting Mars, humanity has sent many landers, probes, and rovers to the Red Planet; which makes it unique because it’s the only planet that we know of except for Cybertron, that is populated by machines.

Journeying to Mars is no easy step because the average distance between Earth and Mars is about 225 million km. The human exploration and colonisation of Mars is a hot topic at the moment. There are many factors to consider about this, though namely, terraforming is one of them. Put another way, Mars hates humans and will do everything it can to kill them. Because of this, the earliest humans could be walking on Mars, will be in the 2030s. They have a lot of work to do, but they have already started.

Hopefully, when humans land on Mars, I’ll be able to watch it with UMC1 and UMC2. Of course, it depends at the very least, if a 15-year-old and a 12-year-old would want to hang out with their very uncool father.

Well, that’s it for another week. What’s your favourite Mars fact? Please let me know. The 2023 Rugby World Cup is still ticking over, so I’m still trying to find the best time to sleep, and I’m failing as usual.

Thanks once again for reading, following, and subscribing to Some Geek Told Me. I value everybody who stops by to read some of my nonsense. Please don’t forget to walk your dog, read a banned book, watch some Rugby World Cup games, Up the Wahs, and I’ll see you next week.


1 Astronomers really like Roman mythology.

2 The further you move away from the Sun, the orbital periods of the remaining planets are just going to become longer.

2023 Rugby World Cup: Peculiar and Puzzling Positions

The 2023 Rugby World Cup has started, and we have already witnessed France vs. New Zealand, Italy vs. Namibia, Ireland vs. Romania, Australia vs. Georgia, England vs. Argentina, Japan vs. Chile, South Africa vs. Scotland, and Wales vs. Fiji. It’s been full of blood, sweat, and tears; and that’s just from the fans!

If this is your first Rugby World Cup, or at the very least, the first time you’ve seen rugby, then firstly, congratulations and welcome to the club. Secondly, if you have observational skills like the Question, you would have noticed the players’ jerseys; namely the numbers on their backs.


Rugby Positions by World Rugby

Just like any team sport that requires players to wear numbers, their number denotes their position. And rugby has some pretty messed up positions. There are 15 (1-15) players in a team, with another 8 (16-23) as reserves, so 23 in total.

So what I’m going to do today, is try and explain what these positions mean and what the player’s job is during the game. Because I’m a New Zealander, I’ll use Kiwi terminology, but I’ll add other names for positions that other countries use as well. Also, the person that gets the honour of wearing the number 8 jersey, has the greatest positional name in rugby, and maybe in all of sport.

The Positional Numbers

1.) Loose-head prop

2.) Hooker

3.) Tight-head prop

4.) Lock (Second row)

5.) Lock (Second row)

6.) Blind-side flanker

7.) Open-side flanker

8.) No. 8

9.) Half back (Scrum half)

10.) First Five (Fly half, First 5/8)

11.) Left wing

12.) Second Five (Inside Centre, Second 5/8)

13.) Centre (Outside Centre)

14.) Right wing

15.) Full back

Job done then, right? Great Caesar’s Ghost, the answer is no!

The team can be divided into two groups: forwards (1-8) and backs (9-15). There is no better way to illustrate the differences between the two groups, than when there is a scrum or a line-out. All of the forwards are packed together into a scrum, or standing in a line behind each other for a line out. The backs on the other hand, will be standing side by side, stretched out across the field when either a scrum or a line out is taking place.

Rugby is a sport where all body types can be used and celebrated. This is because each position needs a specialised player with a particular body type and skills. Traditionally, forwards are larger but slower players, while backs are usually smaller, but faster.

Alright then, what’s special about the positions?

Explaining the Positions:

Front Row (Props and Hooker/Numbers 1-3)

Body type in the community:

This is easy. The best way to describe what body types props and hookers would have, would be a bouncer. You know the type, their arms and legs are the same size; they’re born without a neck; they can bench press a small car; and they won’t take any shit from anybody.

What‘s a prop’s job in a rugby game?

Formal answer:

Their job is to “prop” up the scrum, support the hooker, and add lift to the line-out jumpers.

Informal answer:

Their job is to be a human bulldozer and to take as many defenders down as they can. They are also experts in the dark arts.

What‘s a hooker’s job in a rugby game?

Formal answer:

Their job is to “hook” the ball with their legs during a scrum and to throw the ball in at the line-out.

Informal answer:

Their job is to be an extremely niggly player, that acts like they’re a saint, but they’re actually the devil in disguise. If the referee pulls them up for a penalty, the hooker will deny it; even with 20 m wide screens, showing them committing the crime.

Second Row (Locks/Numbers 4-5)

Body type in the community:

Locks would have the body type of basketball players: tall and muscular. However, the difference here would be instead of bouncing a ball on a court, these people have declared that they would rather suffer cauliflower ears, head trauma, broken bones, or torn ligaments than play basketball.

What‘s a lock’s job in a rugby game?

Formal answer:

A lock’s job is to form the second row in the scrum, receive the ball from the kick-off, and be a primary jumper at the line-out.

Informal answer:

Their job is to have the best shoplifting hands on the field, to be lectured by referees half their size, and to be at the bottom of every ruck and maul.

Loose Forwards (Flankers and No. 8/Numbers 6-8)

Body type in the community:

Do you remember how members of the front row would be described as bouncers? Well if they’re the bouncers, then the loose forwards would be the crazy, tough idiots starting fights in the bar/club or in the line outside.

What‘s a loose forward’s job in a rugby game?

Formal answer:

A loose forward has several jobs like being a secondary jumper at the line-out, supporting the ball carrier around the ruck, giving protection at the breakdown, and searching for the ball.

Informal answer:

There have been many epic quests throughout pop culture, like Frodo and Sam’s mission to destroy the One Ring at Mt. Doom, Thanos collecting the Infinity Stones, Ahab’s obsession with Moby Dick, Darkseid searching for the Anti-Life Equation, Ang to master bending of all four elements, and Andy Stitzer’s quest to lose his virginity.

But they all pale in comparison to a loose forward’s mission to hunt and find the rugby ball. They are lunatics, running around searching for the ball during tackles and breakdowns. They are either off their medication or need to be on some, because they are single-minded in their conviction to find and secure the ball for their team.

Half back (Number 9)

Body type in the community:

Picture any group of people working in sales with various body sizes. The half back would be the smallest of them; toned, small, quick, and very talkative.

What‘s a half back’s job in a rugby game?

Formal answer:

Like a hooker, the half back is a singular specialised player. Their job is to be the link between the forwards and the backs; to feed the ball into the scrum; to receive the ball from the line-out; and to gather the ball at breakdowns, to either pass or kick it.

Informal answer:

The half back’s job is to yell at everybody and to tell them where they need to be. Half backs are also well versed in rugby laws since they are always telling the referee what to do. They love pointing out the illegal things the opposition is doing to the referee, as well as convincing the referee that the illegal things their own team is doing are perfectly legal.

Inside Backs (First Five, Second Five, and Centre/Numbers 10, 12, 13)

Body type in the community:

These players are usually attractive, decisive, fast, and agile. You’ll see them at the gym working out and looking fabulous. They are the ones posing during photo shoots for underwear adverts.

What‘s a First Five’s job in a rugby game?

Formal answer:

When the First Five receives the ball, they will either run, pass, or kick it. If they kick the ball, they need to decide if they are kicking for territory, forcing the other team to kick the ball out, forcing the other team to make a mistake, or setting up a scoring situation. They are usually the player that kicks the goals.

Informal answer:

Their job is to crush the opposition by doing three things: kicking penalty goals and conversions from anywhere on the field, landing drop goals, and forcing the opposition back 50-80 m through territory kicks. If a First Five is constantly doing this in a game, it is soul-destroying for the other team.

What‘s a Second Five and Centre’s job in a rugby game?

Formal answer:

Their job is to support the First Five, create line breaks, kick for territory, supply cover defence, and to follow set pieces.

Informal answer:

When done correctly, the deadly partnership of the Second Five and Centre can bust open teams; but also crazy enough to act like loose forwards at the breakdown. Their job is to make the game a living hell for the opposition’s back line. They’re very clever, fast, and dangerous; but still look like a model as they do it.

Outside Backs (Wingers and Full back/Numbers 11, 14, 15)

Body type in the community:

These players will look like inside backs, except for one difference; their speed. These players are generally the fastest on the field, so look for people who like working out, but also sprinting. Outside backs are also great dancers, because of the work they do to evade being tackled.

Formal answer:

These players need to be able to catch the high ball, but also chase it. They need to be strong enough to fend off tacklers, but also to tackle around the waist and legs. Outside backs are try-scoring machines because of their speed.

Informal answer:

These players love to humiliate teams by evading tackles, applying the side step, outrunning or chasing someone down, producing try-saving tackles, but mainly by scoring a huge amount of tries.

What’s your favourite or least favourite rugby position? As always, please let me know.

I hope these blogs are coherent enough for you to be interested in the Rugby World Cup. If it has, I’ll congratulate myself with some Salt and Vinegar chips. If not, I’ll schedule a meeting with the writing team.

Thanks once again for reading, following, and subscribing to Some Geek Told Me. I’m also on Twitter and Mastodon, where I post about things that I think are quite cool. Maybe.

Please don’t forget to walk your dog, read a banned book, watch some Rugby World Cup games, and I’ll see you next week for our next stop on the Tour of the Solar System. Good times.


2023 Rugby World Cup: Supreme Scoring System

The 2023 Rugby World Cup begins in under a week and for thousands of people, this will be their first Rugby World Cup. Whether it’s watching them in the comfort of your own home, your friend’s house, or a bar, or maybe you’re going to be attending some games; it’s going to be someone’s first Rugby World Cup, or at the very least, it could their first rugby game.

Rugby can be a truly mental and angry sport to follow to the uninitiated. Points are scored every which way, and it can be confusing to begin with, like which indictment Trump should be focusing on first. However, the way points are scored in rugby can be explained. So to help you understand what you’re looking at during the Rugby World Cup, here is a very quick guide to the points system.

Before I begin, I’m only explaining how to score points, what the points mean, and their value.


Image by David Mark from Pixabay

The value of points scored in a game comes in the form of 5 points (try), 2 points (conversion), 7 points (penalty try), and 3 points (penalty or drop goal).

5 points for a try

Scoring a try in rugby means your team is awarded 5 points. A try is similar to a touchdown in the NFL, except for some subtle differences.

To score a try, a player must place the ball on the opposition’s try line or beyond it. The “try zone” consists of a strip of grass in the form of a rectangle, that starts at the try line, with the parallel line being the “dead-ball” line. The two other lines of the rectangle are the touch/sidelines (out of bounds).

If the ball is placed before the try line, it’s not a try; just the same as if the ball is placed after the dead-ball line, it’s not a try. The ball just has to be placed in between them. To place the ball down, a player either can walk, jump, or run across the line and place the ball down, or simply be lying on the ground and stretch out with their hand, with the ball in it.

With the grounding, you can either do it with one hand or two. It doesn’t matter what you do, and this is important, so long as you have control of the ball and apply downward pressure on it. Even if you’re across the line, you must have control of the ball and be able to force the ball on the ground.

The TMO (Television Match Official) can be called upon by the referee to check the grounding of the ball, in case the ball was lost forward, if there was no grounding, or if another player placed their hand between the ball and the ground; thus preventing the grounding, then the try would not be given.

But if the referee and TMO are happy with the grounding, then your team is awarded 5 points.

I do need to point out, that even if you place the ball legally over the line, you may not be awarded the try, if someone in your team did something illegal, leading up to the try. Rugby is a cold sport.

Here are some examples of players scoring tries:


2 points for a conversion

Of all of the points to be discussed, this is the easiest. After your team scores a try, you have the chance to score an additional 2 points for a conversion. When your team’s try has been confirmed, the goal-kicker; traditionally the first five/fly half (player with 10 on their back) or the fullback (player with 15 on their back), will attempt to kick the ball between the posts and over the crossbar.

The kicker must kick the ball from the ground when the ball is placed on either a plastic tee or a pile of sand, or in the form of a drop kick.1 The place where the conversion attempt must be taken, is perpendicular to where the try was awarded. Basically what this means is that the closer you score the try to the posts, the easier the conversion is for the kicker. The further the try is scored away from the posts, the more challenging the kick is for the kicker.

The kicker is given one minute to complete the kick, and if the kick is successful; as in the ball passes in between the posts and over the crossover, your team receives 2 more points. If the kick misses the posts, no extra points are awarded.

Here’s a video showing examples of conversions:


7 points for a penalty try (try + conversion)

A penalty try is rare to witness, but they do happen. A penalty try is awarded to the attacking team, if the referee thinks the defending team has prevented a try from being scored through illegal methods. If the try was going to be probably scored, without the illegal actions of the defending team, then the referee would do three things:

1.) Confirm the penalty try under the posts.

2.) Award the attacking team an automatic 7 points, which equates to a try and conversion (5+2=7).

3.) Punish the offending player by showing them a yellow card (the player is sin-binned, so they are sent off for 10 minutes before coming back to the game) or a red card (the player is sent off for the rest of the game. They do not get to come back).

Here are some examples of penalty tries:


3 points for a penalty goal

Since rugby has so many laws and rules, it’s extremely easy to break any number of them. As an ex-player, I really can confirm this. From not releasing the ball, not rolling away after the tackle, hands in the ruck, committing an illegal tackle, to a scrum collapse, and so many more, the referee can and will punish any player and team, in the form of a penalty.

If the referee awards a penalty to a team, within a kickable distance to their posts, they are allowed an attempt to kick a penalty goal. It’s the same routine as a conversion, apart from three differences:

1.) With a conversion attempt, players from the defending team are allowed to run at the kicker, as soon as they start moving, so they can block the ball. With a penalty goal attempt, the defending players are not allowed to move.

2.) Where the infringement took place, is where the penalty goal is attempted; if it’s in a kickable distance to the posts.

3.) If the ball passes between the posts and over the crossbar, 3 points instead of 2, are awarded to the attacking team.

Here’s a video showing examples of penalty goals:


3 points for a drop goal

Drop goals are an easy and effective way to score 3 points for your team, and considering the Rugby World Cup is nearly upon us, you’ll see a lot of them.

To score a drop goal, you need to drop kick the ball. This involves dropping the ball onto the ground, and as it bounces up, you kick it. And just like the conversion and penalty goals, the ball must pass between the posts and over the crossbar to be awarded 3 points.

The drop goal is traditionally used; but only always, if the score is tied, or a team is only 1-2 points ahead or behind. Like I said before, drop goals will be used a lot in the knock-out games at the World Cup, because it won’t happen if a team wins by 1 point or 10; as long as they can stay alive and win. So believe me, a lot of drop goals will be used.

Here’s a video showing examples of drop goals in Rugby World Cup Finals:


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1 Don’t panic, I’ll explain what a drop kick is very soon. It’s also a term for an idiot or loser!